If you’ve been drinking the church planting Kool-Aid, the kind that says you have to be young, beautiful, sexy, wear tight skinny jeans, listen to obscure indie-rock bands, don a perfectly coiffed fauxhawk with appropriate grooming application, and publicly refer to your spouse as “my smokin’ hot wife!,” all in order to be an aspiring and “relevant” church planter, then this podcast co-hosted by the often provocative and delightfully antiquated Carl Trueman is just for you.

But be forewarned—listening to Trueman, even in small doses, may set you in back of the pack in the burgeoning church planting world. So listen with caution.